15:21 < smcv> andrunko: I don't think the self-contact should have Alias, 
              AvatarToken or SimplePresence by default
15:21 < smcv> andrunko: it should just have the core Contact things (handle and 
              identifier)
15:21 < andrunko> smcv, we don' t have support for contact features on 
                  connection for now, and oggis_ prefer to enable all contact 
                  features for now
15:22 < andrunko> channel also enable all features for now
15:22 < andrunko> oggis_, ^
15:22 < smcv> andrunko, oggis_: I strongly disagree. having fewer features 
              auto-enabled is better - moving a feature from "you always get 
              it" to "you have to ask for it" is error-prone, moving the other 
              way is easy
15:23 < smcv> and if you auto-enable alias, avatar token and simple presence, 
              that's several signals that will wake up every tp-qt4 client 
              whether it cares or not
15:24 < smcv> of course, *later*, having a way to say "by the time you announce 
              a contact on this channel, I want its alias" would be great
15:24 < smcv> (more so for channels than for the self-contact, though, I think)
15:24 < andrunko> yes that[ s the intention
15:25 < smcv> I think when the self-contact changes it should be announced 
              asap, even if it doesn't have its alias/misc yet
15:25 < smcv> since being able to answer "which of these people is me?" 
              correctly is quite important