Bug 56998

Very serious research indeed!

Could you please give some estimations - what would be the number of users of your layout? Do you know any people that would use it daily? Any ballpark figure would do.

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> Very serious research indeed!
> 
> Could you please give some estimations - what would be the number of users
> of your layout? Do you know any people that would use it daily? Any ballpark
> figure would do.

Just to be clear, it's not "my" layout.  It was created by OJ Bucao.  I just want to make sure credit is given where it's due.

As with any free project, it is quite hard to estimate the actual number of users.  I suspect, given how new it is, there are probably a few hundred.  But I can tell you this...  I have researched keyboard layouts for years, and never has a layout impressed me this much.  This one is definitely a keeper.

I know of several people that use it daily, including myself.  And in my job, I often have to jump around on many different Linux computers and it would be most helpful if I could just type "setxkbmap workman" and get my work done.

Sorry for misunderstanding - I assumed it was your layout.

Anyway, thanks for the answer. Since the number of users is not so large, I will put your layout into "extras" section (base.extra.xml.in).

Of course, your layout will not be called "workman" - it will be variant "workman" of the "us" layout.

Thank you Sergey.  Going into base.extra seems reasonable enough.  Although I have to admit, I don't understand the limitations of being in base.extra.  I assume this is to make it easier for users to select a more popular layout, without having to sift through a bunch of less-known layouts.  Do you know if this means users won't be able to select the layout from the graphical layout managers?

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> Thank you Sergey.  Going into base.extra seems reasonable enough.  Although
> I have to admit, I don't understand the limitations of being in base.extra. 
In GNOME (up to 3.4) "extras" are not shown by default. You have to configure some gsettings key to make them visible. But using setxkbmap it all should work just the same...

A couple more things.
1. I cannot commit xmodmap stuff. xkeyboard-config does not deal with it.
2. The license is specified as "public domain". xk-c is using xorg licence. Can I remove that "public domain" clause so the default licence would apply?

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> A couple more things.
> 1. I cannot commit xmodmap stuff. xkeyboard-config does not deal with it.
> 2. The license is specified as "public domain". xk-c is using xorg licence.
> Can I remove that "public domain" clause so the default licence would apply?

You can ignore the xmodmap stuff.  

As for the license, OJ has specified that anyone can do whatever they want with it so long as a small attribution is made to his name.  Feel free to remove it without concern, just make sure to leave his name in there.

Sergey, I think you should consider putting Workman into "base" instead of "extras".  It seems Workman is gaining popularity very fast, and there is even a well-known hardware vendor that includes a Workman version of their keyboards.  http://typematrix.com/

I may have low-balled the estimated number of users.  Like I said, very hard to gauge.

I googled around... Ok, let's have it in core file. Committed. Thanks for the interesting information!

Created attachment 70016 [details]
Workman-P (programmer Workman) layout

First off, great to see Workman added to Xorg! I use the layout myself and have made workman-pkl for Windows.

The Workman layout comes in two versions, standard and programmer's (known as Workman-P). The latter version switches the numbers on the top-row number keys with their corresponding symbols and brackets with curly braces, which for its intended audience may well be one of the best features to get out-of-the-box (it was for me). Please include Workman-P with Xorg.

How popular is Workman-P variation, in your opinion? Comparing to the original Workman?

Created attachment 70240 [details]
Colemak alternate characters shifting

I just pinged OJ for the first time by email about 30 minutes go then saw this thread. I believe the xorg file proposed by OJ is an incomplete modification to the Colemak layout. If you take note of the 3rd and 4th columns in the Workman file proposed by OJ, they match the values of the Colemak layout and didn't shift along with the base Workman keys.

https://github.com/deekayen/workman/commit/0be064229e762f6d4771c5c4e7d03402b9bccfab#xorg/workman is basically the diff I think fixes the oversight, but I attached the final file since I don't (yet) know where the freedesktop.org VCS is to make a proper patch.

I'll be pinging OJ right after this to have him review this.

Created attachment 70241 [details] [review]
Patch file to illustrate what I'm proposing different from what was apparently committed somewhere about shifting Colemak alternate keys to Workman locations.

Please do not change assignee

And if possible, could you pls attach patches against the current xkeyboard-config git. It is impossible to apply your patch.

Created attachment 70253 [details] [review]
git patch against xkeyboard-config

I just meant to re-open the issue, not take it. Proper git patch proposed here.

David, thank you! Shawn, do you have comments regarding that patch?

The patch looks correct to me.  Thanks for catching this David.  I just compared it against the Colemak layout, and sure enough they were incorrect.

I also appreciate the updated reference to the new workman website and the whitespace alignment fix.

I am happy. Will commit it. Just one minor thing. http://www.workmanlayout.com/ is blank :( Do we need that URL?

What do you mean blank?  I click on that link and it takes me to the workman website.  I would like to leave it in if possible.  It is the long-term home for the workman layout.  I think there may be a few quirks with the new website.  I'll mention it to OJ.

My apologies. Perhaps it was something with my browser - it just shown some default page of the host provider. It is ok now. Will commit your patch.

Thanks Sergey.  You're awesome, as usual. :)

http://www.workmanlayout.com/ had a recent DNS change. That's probably the issue.

I think my patch needs revision. I'm working out some of the finer details with Shawn and OJ.

NP! Take your time till January

Created attachment 70281 [details] [review]
Break-out Workman to format more like US and Dvorak

I broke out the Workman layout to be similar in format to the QWERTY and Dvorak layouts. OJ commented, "I intend the Workman Layout to be defined by the actual top level layout anyway and not the ALT keys," which means the international characters are not part of the spec, and were removed to match the QWERTY and Dvorak default layouts.

To follow the lead of QWERTY and Dvorak, and the guidance from OJ who outlined, "So I say we do Apple's approach for mac and Dvorak's approach for other OS's and keep things simple." means I split Workman ALT keys to model a shifted us(intl) in a separate config.

Comment on attachment 70281 [details] [review]
Break-out Workman to format more like US and Dvorak

Review of attachment 70281 [details] [review]:
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The more readable version of this patch is based at https://github.com/deekayen/workman/blob/master/xorg/workman.

Created attachment 70285 [details] [review]
Break-out Workman to format more like US and Dvorak

Added missing closing comment to alphanumeric section in workman-intl.

Created attachment 70287 [details] [review]
Break-out Workman to format more like US and Dvorak

This version adds the intl variant to the base xml file. Note, in this and the last two patches, I changed "English (US, Workman)" to just "English (Workman)" to follow in the lead of QWERTY, Dvorak, and Colemak's names.

Thanks, great, committed (sorry, committed first patch - then added base.xml.in)

I'd like to express my support for the inclusion of the workman-p variant.

Hey guys! I hope I could find some suggestion here from you. I'm now trying to switch to workman and I've been using http://www.typingstudy.com/en-us_workman-3/ to do that. Although the resource is really awesome and easy to use, I wanted to ask if there are other ways to do the transition as well? How did you do it?
Thanks! And I hope this thread is not dead yet :-)