|Summary:||diacritics below are cut-off|
|Product:||DejaVu||Reporter:||Denis Jacquerye <moyogo>|
|Component:||General||Assignee:||Denis Jacquerye <moyogo>|
|Status:||ASSIGNED ---||QA Contact:|
|i915 platform:||i915 features:|
shrunk and shifted ring below
Low-profile Stacking Diacritics
Description Denis Jacquerye 2006-11-14 11:57:51 UTC
Some diacritics end up with some parts below the descender limit, thus being cut-off on Windows. This is rather bad. Ring below turns into a half ring below, square below turns into half square below, combing tack..., combining plus, etc. All those should have their shape preserved when combined with base characters without descenders. Possible solutions: * expand the descender limit, thus messing up the whole font metrics (bad) * shift and shrink the diacritics when necessary (solves it but can be unpleasant, might not look good)
Comment 1 Denis Jacquerye 2006-11-14 11:59:36 UTC
Created attachment 7785 [details] shrunk and shifted ring below screenshot of what a shrunk and shifted ring below looks like I personally think shifting and adjusting the diacritics to fit in the Windows visible area is the best option.
Comment 2 Bhikkhu Pesala 2006-12-08 15:04:26 UTC
Current Metrics Win Ascent 1901 Win Descent -483 default line-spacing 11.49 points on 10 point Current Required Metrics Win Ascent 2544 Win Descent -822 default line-spacing 16.43 points on 10 point For most fonts one should aim for 12 points on 10 point line-spacing. WinAscent - WinDescent = 2458 If you think that is really not enough for Vietnamese stacking diacritic support, increase the default leading to no more than 13 points on 10, which allows WinAscent - WinDescent = 2662. Look at body text with 130% fixed leading to judge if it too loose. 10 point Deju Serif looks fine to my eyes set at 13 point leading. That should allow adequate space for stacking diacritics, but only if they are redesigned. Either make the ring above smaller, or place the acute beside it. The tallest ascender is on LATIN CAPITAL A WITH RING ABOVE AND ACUTE (506). This is a problematic glyph. The design should be changed to position the accent beside the ring. (See my Verajja Font). Both the ring above and the ring below should be reduced to about 67%.
Comment 3 Bhikkhu Pesala 2006-12-11 00:00:02 UTC
Created attachment 8053 [details] Low-profile Stacking Diacritics Diacritics that are cropped ruin the font. Excessive line-spacing also ruins the font. Either make a font especially tailored for Vietnamese, where the greater line-spacing is tolerable, or compromise by compressing stacking diacritics to fit within WinAscent/WinDescent. Designing outside of these limits seems like a fundamental mistake as most applications will crop any glyphs that exceed these limits. The attachment shows how I solve the problem on three of the most difficult glyphs. The metrics are designed for 13 point leading on 10 point.
Comment 4 chemtech 2013-03-15 14:26:37 UTC
Denis Jacquerye Do you still experience this issue with newer soft ? Please check the status of your issue.