Bug 107075 - pm-utils disabled with no supporting reference
Summary: pm-utils disabled with no supporting reference
Status: RESOLVED WONTFIX
Alias: None
Product: freedesktop.org
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Bugzilla (show other bugs)
Version: unspecified
Hardware: All All
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Assignee: fd.o Admin Massive
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Reported: 2018-06-30 08:59 UTC by /df
Modified: 2019-02-16 14:07 UTC (History)
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Description /df 2018-06-30 08:59:02 UTC
A| user identifying as Adam Jackson <ajax@nwnk.net> has disabled the pm-utils bugzilla and marked outstanding bugs as WONTFIX with no supporting reference or discussion:
"pm-utils hasn't been touched in eight years, none of this is likely to get
addressed. Closing bugs and disabling the bz product."

For instance, which distros are using pm-utils? Why is no-one maintaining the product? Why are valid patches unapplied after several years? Has anyone been approached to do so?

If there are good reasons for the action taken, there should be some rationale at <https://pm-utils.freedesktop.org/> and that should be referenced in the WONTFIX comment.
Comment 1 Daniel Stone 2018-06-30 10:12:31 UTC
Adam is a long-time contributor to fd.o who has at times been a full administrator.

Looking at pm-utils, there has not been a single commit to the Git repository in 8 years, and the last message on the mailing list which wasn't a pure bug report was https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/pm-utils/2012-March/002249.html in which he tells people to go to a GitHub repository which is no more up to date, e.g. has trivial PRs pending from 2014.

It has been orphaned from Debian and Ubuntu, and currently does not have a maintainer; it is no longer shipped at all in Fedora. Arch, Gentoo, and OpenSUSE all ship forks of it, but these seem fairly stagnant, having seen no changes in years, and some of these seem to be distro-specific.

I can't speak for the pm-utils developers as to why they abandoned it, but my guess is that pm-utils was supposed to be a shared backend for HAL utilities. HAL itself is completely abandoned, and has been for some years. Presumably this is why the pm-utils developers stopped working on it.

These days, power management is often integrated into components which handle session and service management, rather than something that just happens completely externally. Maybe this is why no-one's approached the list with an offer to take up maintenance.

You're right that the wiki should be updated; I'd happily accept a patch (see https://cgit.freedesktop.org/wiki/pm-utils for source) if you have some proposed text in mind which would be acceptable for you?
Comment 2 /df 2018-06-30 22:20:24 UTC
@Daniel
Your comment was pretty much what I was hoping to have seen. I'm sure either some slight variation would fit in the wiki, or just link to this bug thread.

Regarding Ubuntu, while recent releases don't use pm-utils, 14.04 LTS does and still has 10 months of support.
Comment 3 Daniel Stone 2019-02-16 14:07:37 UTC
Right, I'd suggest in that case that the Ubuntu package maintainers for pm-utils would be the best place to get support. That being said, given that the LTS releases tend to see very little change and churn, and that the maintainer hasn't spoken up on any of the bugs here, I wouldn't expect to see much from it.

Closing this as I don't see any action point beyond 'find someone to revive the project'.


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