Bug 48967 - : Request for a Firefox Style Menu Button
Summary: : Request for a Firefox Style Menu Button
Status: RESOLVED INVALID
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Writer (show other bugs)
Version:
(earliest affected)
3.5.2 release
Hardware: Other All
: medium enhancement
Assignee: Not Assigned
URL:
Whiteboard: BSA
Keywords:
Depends on:
Blocks:
 
Reported: 2012-04-20 06:29 UTC by Patrick Gillespie
Modified: 2013-06-05 13:34 UTC (History)
2 users (show)

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Mock Up of "Firefox Button" for Libre Office (39.95 KB, image/png)
2012-07-01 05:55 UTC, Patrick Gillespie
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Description Patrick Gillespie 2012-04-20 06:29:02 UTC
Using your new Bug Reporting interface -- I don't see an option to mark this as a feature request rather than a bug, so feel free to correct me & point me in the right direction for future feature requests.

Anyway, with all the discussion concerning a new UI for Libre, I would love to see something like the Firefox Menu Button -- in the spirit of less is more.

Thanks.
Comment 1 Joel Madero 2012-06-30 23:59:58 UTC
I'm going to put this as NEEDINFO as I think it needs a much greater expansion on what you're thinking. If you could provide a mock up (using GIMP or some other software) that would be incredibly helpful, if not just a really detailed explanation of what you mean and how you would envision this. I think that a major UI change is not in the works currently so this may be put as WONTFIX with a whiteboard comment of some kind so that when/if we start doing a major change we can check out comments that have suggestions like this one. Thanks
Comment 2 Patrick Gillespie 2012-07-01 05:55:48 UTC
Created attachment 63665 [details]
Mock Up of "Firefox Button" for Libre Office
Comment 3 Patrick Gillespie 2012-07-01 05:58:22 UTC
I'm no graphic artist.

The mock up shows my butt-ugly "Firefox Button" on the top left. This would eliminate the menu bar and give users a little extra precious space. If the devs were to take this seriously, then a nicer button could be designed.
Comment 4 QA Administrators 2013-05-26 22:31:31 UTC
Dear Bug Submitter,

This bug has been in NEEDINFO status with no change for at least 6 months. Please provide the requested information as soon as possible and mark the bug as UNCONFIRMED. Due to regular bug tracker maintenance, if the bug is still in NEEDINFO status with no change in 30 days the QA team will close the bug as INVALID due to lack of needed information.

For more information about our NEEDINFO policy please read the wiki located here: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/FDO/NEEDINFO

If you have already provided the requested information, please mark the bug as UNCONFIRMED so that the QA team knows that the bug is ready to be confirmed.


Thank you for helping us make LibreOffice even better for everyone!


Warm Regards,
QA Team
Comment 5 vermontpoet 2013-05-27 02:18:12 UTC
//This bug has been in NEEDINFO status with no change for at least 6 months//

I provided the requested information -- a mock up.

It is for the developers to decide whether this suggestions/feature-request is worth pursuing. A yes or no answer is all that's needed.
Comment 6 Joel Madero 2013-05-27 03:54:24 UTC
It will never get looked at in NEEDINFO status - marking as UNCONFIRMED. 

In the future please mark bugs as UNCONFIRMED after you provide requested info as NEEDINFO are in general ignored by everyone because it's assumed something is missing and is needed from reporter before moving forward.
Comment 7 Joel Madero 2013-05-27 04:00:45 UTC
Astron - can you bring this up during a UX discussion? Or do you have thoughts on it?
Comment 8 Stefan Knorr (astron) 2013-06-04 17:12:26 UTC
Hum... So, first things first: It's great that you care about the LibreOffice UI. It's great that you want to simplify it (us UX/design guys want that too).

At the same time, I guess we should close this, because this feature request is _really_ broad and needs a lot more specification (what is the exact goal? what should go into the menu? what do we need to put elsewhere? how does this work cross-platform? how does this work in a suite of editing application as opposed to viewing applications like browsers? etc.). The process we have for this are "whiteboards":

  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards

If you are interested in getting this idea somewhere, I'd suggest you subscribe to the design mailing list

  design@global.libreoffice.org

Also, we have someone who is interested in sponsoring a developer to do an interface redesign… looking for good design ideas.

(Resolving as Invalid. _Not_ because I hate the idea, just because this bug is too broad. Hope that's ok.)
Comment 9 Stefan Knorr (astron) 2013-06-04 17:14:54 UTC
Forgot to tell you how to subscribe, that's here:

  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design#join
Comment 10 Patrick Gillespie 2013-06-05 11:39:16 UTC
Hi Stefan, I have three children. I'm a writer in my spare time. I carpenter and build to earn income - which is barely enough.

I'm not a developer. I haven't written a line of code since 1984.

If I'm the only one on the planet who thinks this would be a good idea, then close it.

I'd much rather see Libre Office deal with far more important and glaring deficiencies: 

1.) No ability to vertically center text (without fiddling and faddling with text frames). I can vertically center a . (period) in Word, with nothing else in the document, and Libre can't convert it.

2.) Smart quotes don't work if you end a sentence with a dash.

3.) Libre needs a wild card in its auto-correct feature. As it is, Libre won't auto-correct anything that's not discrete. 

4.) TABS. This isn't 1992.  Who still thinks it's a good idea to open a separate window for each and every document!?! Let me know the next time you use a browser that doesn't have tabs.

And yes, all these issues have been reported. Years ago. As soon as you send somebody to work on my carpentry crew, I'll knuckle down, learn some code, and solve these problems.
Comment 11 Stefan Knorr (astron) 2013-06-05 12:36:10 UTC
Patrick,

(In reply to comment #10)
> Hi Stefan, I have three children. I'm a writer in my spare time. I carpenter
> and build to earn income - which is barely enough.

Sorry. I did not mean to offend you. Not sure if that makes it any better for you, but I am a volunteer here, too.


> I'm not a developer. I haven't written a line of code since 1984.

I am not a developer either. And you don't need to be do things on the design team.


 
> If I'm the only one on the planet who thinks this would be a good idea, then
> close it.

As I said – that's certainly not the case. The problem is just that even if a developer came here and wanted to do this, there is far too little information here for him/her to work on this. We'd need someone to think about this, make a careful plan and push for implementation.
Proposing a single menu button without proposing new spots for all the things that inevitably won't fit in there is a pretty big non-starter.


> I'd much rather see Libre Office deal with far more important and glaring
> deficiencies:

[That's all a bit OT. But except for #4, I fully understand why you'd want them. Feel free to send me a mail linking to the bugs you created – though I can't give any promises here at all.]
Comment 12 Patrick Gillespie 2013-06-05 13:34:30 UTC
//Sorry. I did not mean to offend you.//

Then in the future, simply say that you (or the volunteers) don't have the time and/or recourse to solve the bug. Don't, in effect, blame me (the bug reporter) for X,Y, and Z; for failing, in effect, to fill out the proper paper work. I'm a volunteer too. I took the time out and made an effort. A simple "thanks for your suggestion and the effort" would have sufficed.


//We'd need someone to think about this, make a careful plan and push for implementation. Proposing a single menu button without proposing new spots for all the things that inevitably won't fit in there is a pretty big non-starter.//

I don't have the time or background to do this. 

Mark the bug closed.