Bug 68902 - DejaVu Serif Italic Glyphs do not match non-italic glyphs.
Summary: DejaVu Serif Italic Glyphs do not match non-italic glyphs.
Status: RESOLVED INVALID
Alias: None
Product: DejaVu
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Serif (show other bugs)
Version: unspecified
Hardware: All Windows (All)
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Assignee: Deja Vu bugs
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Reported: 2013-09-03 18:54 UTC by Julian Griffin
Modified: 2013-09-04 18:03 UTC (History)
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An RTF of A&Z. (3.06 KB, text/plain)
2013-09-03 18:54 UTC, Julian Griffin
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Description Julian Griffin 2013-09-03 18:54:46 UTC
Created attachment 85140 [details]
An RTF of A&Z.

DejaVu Serif glyphs for "a" and "z" differ in deferent faces:

In Bold, Book, Condensed, & Condensed Bold; "a" & "z" look more like the Times New Roman's "a" & "z".

in Bold Italic, Condensed Bold Italic, Condensed Italic, & Italic; "a" is more like a hand-written "a" and "z" is more flamboyant.

Don't get me wrong, I much prefer the Italic versions of "a" & "z", indeed I would love to use a complete font designed around a more pleasing, gentle look to DejaVu. But it seems strange to have very different glyphs in sister typefaces.
Comment 1 Denis Jacquerye 2013-09-03 20:18:48 UTC
This was a design decision, italic can be morce cursive-like.
Comment 2 Julian Griffin 2013-09-04 09:14:38 UTC
Thank you for your quick response. I adore the Italic "a" & "z".
My I ask, do you know why almost all computer fonts use an "a" like a rotated "e", when I have not seen anyone hand write an "a" this way?


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Comment # 1 on bug 68902 from Denis Jacquerye
This was a design decision, italic can be morce cursive-like.
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Comment 3 Ben Laenen 2013-09-04 15:39:44 UTC
(In reply to comment #2)
> Thank you for your quick response. I adore the Italic "a" & "z".
> My I ask, do you know why almost all computer fonts use an "a" like a
> rotated "e", when I have not seen anyone hand write an "a" this way?

It's actually pretty common to have a "double story a" as it's called (like the upside down 'e') in the regular fonts, and a "single story a" that only has a bowl (the circle) but no finial (the line at the top), even very popular fonts like Times New Roman.

Italic was created in the early days of typeface design to mimic handwriting, hence the single storey "a".

As to how exactly these shapes came to be the way they are, no idea about the specifics. It's probably from the uppercase "A", joining the horizontal stem and the left one in a single stroke and then lengthening the right stroke. If you don't lengthen it you get the handwritten "a". But someone with a typeface design degree will know much more about the how and why.

I do like to see handwritten texts in languages that use both styles of "a" for different letters once, to see how they handle it...
Comment 4 Julian Griffin 2013-09-04 18:03:59 UTC
Thank you.
   My interest is in the educational sphere, adult literacy to be specific.

   I am Dyslexic and know just how important the look of a page of text is. I hate flush-right margins, I find them very difficult to navigate. I find the Arial font makes the page look cold, the Times New Roman font makes the page look warmer, and the Comic Sans font makes the page looks friendly and accessible.

   Comic Sans has the merit that each character is more distinct from one another than characters in Ariel & Times New Roman are. With Ariel, I find, the characters can look very similar; e.g. aceosu, bdghpqy, & mrn.

   I became very disheartened in not finding a joined-up-written font that created all letters suitable. Problem letters included a, f, g, j, r, s, & y. So I developed my own fonts specifically to help learners practice handwriting and of course I used the single-story "a".

   Microsoft's attempt at a Unicode compliant font is Segoe. This font family includes Print & Script (Script is not suited to handwriting practice as f, g, j, r, t, & y are not fully integrated).

   So two questions:
   1) Are there any plans to add handwritten fonts to the DejaVu family?
   2) If there are, how do I volunteer?

Regards Julian.


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