Bug 9479 - German quotation marks on German keyboard layout
Summary: German quotation marks on German keyboard layout
Status: REOPENED
Alias: None
Product: xkeyboard-config
Classification: Unclassified
Component: General (show other bugs)
Version: unspecified
Hardware: x86 (IA32) Linux (All)
: high enhancement
Assignee: xkb
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Keywords: NEEDINFO
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Reported: 2006-12-29 12:16 UTC by Helge Hielscher
Modified: 2008-12-18 07:59 UTC (History)
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Description Helge Hielscher 2006-12-29 12:16:17 UTC
Please provide direct access to German quotes using German keyboard layout
(without having to use Compose).

German quotations mark are:
doublelowquotemark (U+201E „)
leftdoublequotemark (U+201C “)
singlelowquotemark (U+201A ‚)
leftsinglequotemark (U+2018 ‘)
Comment 1 Sergey V. Udaltsov 2006-12-29 13:02:35 UTC
Which keys would you put these marks on?
Comment 2 Helge Hielscher 2006-12-29 13:29:15 UTC
Good question: are there any usage statistics of the chars provided on the 3rd
and 4th level? My first thought was ö and ä, but there might be people who are
using these diaeresis dead keys regulary.
Comment 3 Sergey V. Udaltsov 2006-12-29 13:41:46 UTC
I'm afraid I do not have the answer for your, quite reasonable, question;)
Comment 4 Helge Hielscher 2006-12-29 13:49:11 UTC
According to Wikipedia, MacOs is using these Shortcuts
„ Alt +  ^  or  Alt + Shift +  w
“ Alt + Shift +  ^  or Alt +  2
‚ Alt +  S 
‘ Alt +  #
« Alt +  Q
» Alt + Shift +  Q
‹ Alt + Shift +  B
› Alt + Shift +  N
Comment 5 Christoph Päper 2006-12-30 05:21:23 UTC
Wikipedia is correct regarding Mac OS (although I've never used Alt + S); the
apostrophe is Alt + Shift + #. Apple's alignment of "goose feet" (66 and 99) is
quite good, because it's easy to enter pairs of German or English quotes and
they are close to the straight quote mark (Shift + 2), but guillemets and the
single variants, which of course all should be included too, are less intuitive.

When I created my own Windows keyboard layout, which might provide inspiration,
I took a different approach: I put them on the keys that had not gotten AltGr /
AltGr + Shift assignments already, see <http://webdesign.crissov.de/Tastatur/>.
(I intended the keyboard layout to be useful for typing German -- the only
notable changes are that tilde became a dead key and the vertical bar was
repositioned -- with portions of Turkish, French, Polish, Czech, Dutch and the
Scandinavian and Iberian languages, but it would look slightly different if done
again today: e.g. only Icelandic Eth at AltGr+D and no African/Yugoslavian
stroke D, Omega for ohm somewhere.)
Note and consider that there are two conventions for using French (i.e. angled)
quotation marks in German texts, pointing inside (»«) and pointing outside («»);
the latter being common in Switzerland and for unknown reasons favoured by the
Apple layout.
Comment 6 Benjamin Close 2008-01-11 02:37:49 UTC
Bugzilla Upgrade Mass Bug Change

NEEDSINFO state was removed in Bugzilla 3.x, reopening any bugs previously listed as NEEDSINFO.

  - benjsc
    fd.o Wrangler
Comment 7 Sergey V. Udaltsov 2008-12-18 07:59:59 UTC
I think these mappings are trivial to implement (consider RAlt as Alt)

> „ Alt +  ^  or  Alt + Shift +  w
RAlt + Shift + w is already taken by Ł but can be safely changed since it is also available as RAlt + Shift + w
RAlt + ^ is impossible - I do not see ^ in German layout

> “ Alt + Shift +  ^  or Alt +  2
RAlt + 2 is mapped to ². Not sure it is a good idea to change that.
Again, RAlt + Shift + ^ is impossible - no ^ in german

> ‚ Alt +  S 
ß is important for German, isn't it? That's what RAlt + s is mapped to.

> ‘ Alt +  #
Currently RAlt + # is dead_grave. It is also available on 2nd level of dead_acute (AE12)

> « Alt +  Q
RAlt + Q is @. I guess it should be kept.
> » Alt + Shift +  Q
Greek letter Ω can probably be changed. Even though I cannot decide whether is is more or less useful than ».
> ‹ Alt + Shift +  B
Currently it is rightsinglequotemark. What's more useful?

> › Alt + Shift +  N
Available. Can be used.

So, in a word - some mappings can be safely applied to the defaul german layout. Some mappings conflict with existing ones.

May be, another variant should be added, if you like...

Feel free to make a patch so we could discuss it here.

Also, look at #14022. Something similar, I guess. And I want to make it an option...


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