This has been copied from Redhat Bugzilla Report https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=153729 Original Problem is here, see later for worse problem!!!! Description of problem: This is a dual boot machine. FC3 x86-64 on the main disk No problems with this version so not a hardware problem ? Either FC4T1 i386 or x86-64 on 2nd disk Clean install of FC4T1 (i386 or x86-64) on Shuttle Athlon64 machine both show the same problem. Initial gdm problem solved - using kdm - system-config-display runs OK Monitor Iiyama AS4314UT Graphics Card Matrox G550 Clean Boot to run level 3. login as root in dumb terminal tty1 (=Cont/Alt/F1) Cont/Alt/F1-6 working correctly startx Clean display under control of /etc/X11/xorg.conf - no problems. Running kdm and kde. Logout from "X" - End Current Session to revert to dumb terminal Blank screen with small green border (0.1 inches maybe). Control/Alt/F2 to 6 are the same. Cont/Alt/F7 virtual terminal still active as typing startx blindly restarts X successfully. Is it X changing the "Mode" for the virtual terminals and the monitor cannot handle it. Checking /var/log/Xorg.0.log shows that both the graphics card and monitor have been identified correctly. Booting to run level 5 and then Control/Alt/F1 does the same. Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): xorg-x11-6.8.2-7 How reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1.reboot to run level 3 - VTs OK 2.startx and then logout or Cont/Alt/Backspace 3.All Virtual Terminals blank with green border but still active, no detectable errors. ################################################################## Additional Information 12-4-2005 I have now down loaded FC4T2 i386 and x86-64 DVDs The graphical installer gives corrupt/unreadable display for both i386 and x86-64!!!! Unusable !!!! I have carried out a text install of the i386 version only Clean install (apart from DVD verify failure) Run level 3 boot is fine, startx gives a corrupt screen a multiple image effect with things blurring just by moving the mouse the same problem of a green bordered blank screen when switching back to VTs 1-6. The machine is a Shuttle SN85G with no onboard graphics using a Matrox G550 card. Machine still works correctly with FC3!!!! Repeating i386 install on older machine with Matrox G450 graphics card Graphics Install is OK on this machine Clean boot to run level 5 and Gnome/kde run with no problem BUT the Cont/Alt/Fx problem is still there !!!! A blank screen with a green border
I'm seeing similar behaviour (blank, fully black screen when switching F7 screen to CtrlAlt F1-F6) This is on Fedora Rawhide(ish) box, Intel Corp 828245G/GL integrated graphics device; though, the I810 driver rather than mga. xorg-x11-6.8.2-20 If you need more info, let me know. (I'm in the cube next to krh if that's helpful)
Same with a Matrox G400. Black screen with a green border when switching from Xorg to Cont/Alt/F1-6. Video card : Matrox MGA G400 AGP (rev 04) Distribution : FC4 Test 2 Kernel : kernel-2.6.11-1.1240_FC4 Xorg : xorg-x11-6.8.2-22 Arch : i386 (AMD athlon xp) Mainbord : MSI KT266
Same with a Matrox Mystique (mga1064sg)
This very much sounds like a general bug in the mga driver, as people are reporting it on a variety of mga hardware. For those of you experiencing this during OS installation, can you please try to do a text mode installation, and then configure X afterward. For Fedora users, this would be: "system-config-display --reconfig". Users of other distributions experiencing this problem, try using your distro's custom X config tool, or if there isn't one, try using "xorgcfg" if it is supplied. Once you've configured X, start the server, and try to reproduce the problem. Does it reproduce? If using Fedora, and the problem is reproduceable at runtime, try doing "rpm -e rhgb" and rebooting your system. Then start up X again. Does the problem still occur? Assuming the issue still occurs, the next troubleshooting step, would be to disable DRI by commenting out the line: Load "dri" in your xorg.conf and restarting X again. Please indicate if disabling DRI changes the problem in any way. Next step is to try disabling render acceleration by adding to your device section: Option "norenderaccel" Again start the server and try to reproduce, and indicate any changes. Finally, try using: Option "noaccel" And indicate if there are any changes, etc. Also, everyone having this problem, please attach your complete X server log file and config file as individual uncompressed bugzilla file attachments using the "Create a New Attachment" link above, or by clicking on this link: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?bugid=2991&action=enter All of this information will help Xorg developers to investigate the cause of the problem, and hopefully find a fix or workaround. Thanks in advance.
As one of the Matrox MGA G400 AGP victims ( more details in http://bugzilla.redhat.com/151252 ) here's the result of trying the troubleshooting steps from comment 4: no rhgb => no difference no dri => no difference "Option norenderaccel" => no difference "Option noaccel" => no difference In all cases, I get a bright green border surrounding a blank black screen on all virtual consoles. The same green border appears for tens of a second when the X server is started. The blue border, blue screen and green screen described in above bug report at RH are gone in Fedora Core 4 Test 2. Attaching config/log files...
Created attachment 2471 [details] Xorg.0.log for MGA G400
Created attachment 2472 [details] xorg.conf for MGA G400
Created attachment 2473 [details] Xorg.0.log for MGA G550
Created attachment 2474 [details] xorg.conf for MGA G550 None of the suggested changes had any effect I will try to attach a screen capture file with next submit it is 1.9MB !
Created attachment 2476 [details] Screen capture showing "second" worse ? problem for MGA G550 FC4T2 Its now a gif file and a lot smaller !!! This effect is present during FV4T2 install and when booted to run level 5 the Control/Alt/Fx problem is also there
No difference here with any of the changes in comment 4 I am only testing only the blank screen with green border issue not the Graphics installation problem Attaching log files...
Created attachment 2486 [details] Xorg.0.log for Mystique (mga1064sg)
Created attachment 2487 [details] xorg.conf for Mystique (mga1064sg)
When I ctrl-alt-f1 on a Dell running FC4T2, I get a black screen also. Hardware is detected as: (--) PCI:*(0:2:0) Intel Corp. 82865G Integrated Graphics Device rev 2, Mem @ 0xe8000000/27, 0xfeb80000/19, I/O @ 0xed98/3 (II) I810: Driver for Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets: i810, i810-dc100, i810e, i815, i830M, 845G, 852GM/855GM, 865G, 915G Package version is: xorg-x11-6.8.2-19 I can provide a full log if desired. It doesn't look like this problem is MGA-only...
This bug report is about VTswitch problems on mga hardware. If you are having VTswitch problems on Intel or other hardware, please file your own bug report, because they are different video drivers for each hardware and thus different bugs. When the mga driver bug is fixed and this bug closed, your Intel issue will be lost otherwise.
Additional Comment #1 shows same/similar bug !! "This is on Fedora Rawhide(ish) box, Intel Corp 828245G/GL integrated graphics device; though, the I810 driver rather than mga." Also I hope it is not just about the Control/Alt/Switch problem See attachment 2476 [details] !!!!!!
Re comments 1, 14, 15, 16; I've filed this bug to cover the problem on I810: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3094
As a comparison, I do not have this problem on a computer with a radeon driver that was recently fixed. The problem on the Intel 815 allows text to display in terminal. The problem is with the first character starting on the rightmost portion of the screen, then displaying the rest of the text on the next line. X seems to work fine. The problem is in the virtual terminal only for the Intel 815 card.
I have a S3 Savage, and this bug accurately describes the problem for me also. (--) PCI:*(1:0:0) S3 Inc. Savage 4 rev 3, Mem @ 0xf7f80000/19, 0xe8000000/27 After starting X, consoles have strangely colored borders and backgrounds (not always the same color either). As noted, the border is about 0.25 of an inch or so. Letters at the edge of the screen scroll to the other side. Unique so far for me is that if I disable DRI, and switch from X console to a different console I get the borders/colors, but can clearly see text. With DRI enabled, and I change to console, I get a blank screen. I don't use rhgb. When leaving X the screen is totally corrupted (i.e. strange colors and text is garbage/ unreadable). I am running Fedora Core 4 test 2 w/ xorg-x11-6.8.2-27 Problem is 100% reproducable.
At te resolution that I run 1280x1024@24 I do not use DRI. I see the border and text. I have not tried at a lower resolution and depth to see if the terminals are blank and without text. I'll check this out sometime later.
(In reply to comment #12) > Created an attachment (id=2486) [edit] > Xorg.0.log for Mystique (mga1064sg) > Quoting the log file: ---------------------------------- Symbol XAAGetCachePlanarMonoStipple from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/mga_drv.o is unresolved! Symbol XAAGetScreenIndex from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/mga_drv.o is unresolved! Symbol XAAGetScreenIndex from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/mga_drv.o is unresolved! Symbol XAAGetCachePlanarMonoStipple from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/mga_drv.o is unresolved! Symbol XAAGetCachePlanarMonoStipple from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/mga_drv.o is unresolved! Symbol XAAGetScreenIndex from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/mga_drv.o is unresolved! --------------------------------- I also get those messages on my g450. Are they related to this bug? Has anyone tried to get rid of these problems and seen if that affects this bug?
Bug #3250 shows nearly the same behavior on PowerPC Mac mini (ATI Radeon 9200), ViewSonic A50 CRT.
FCFC4T3 i386 !!!! Both the CONTROL-ALT-Fx and the corrupt screen problem still there on Matrox G550, Athlon64 machine. Corrupt screen both during and after installation
Sorry, that is bug #3280 (not 3250) that shows the same problem on PowerPC Mac mini (ATI Radeon 9200), ViewSonic A50 CRT.
On the theory that xorg-x11 6.8.2 might have introduced this, well, with Fedora Core 3 and xorg-x11-6.8.2-1.FC3.13 (latest from Updates) the problem is not reproducible. So, as comparison: to get FC4T3's xorg-x11 version built with GCC 3.4.3 (not GCC4) for FC3 would be interesting.
I just had to do it !!!! FC4T3-i386 Athlon64 Remove all of xorg-x11-6.8.2-30 and fonts-xorg-6.8.2-1 s1=`rpm -qa|grep -i xorg-x11` rpm -e --nodeps $s1 s2=`rpm -qa|grep -i fonts-xorg` rpm -e --nodeps $s2 mount the FC3 DVD and change to correct dir Install xorg-x11-6.8.1-12 and fonts-xorg-6.8.1-1 s3=`ls xorg-x11*` rpm -i --nodeps $s3 s4=`ls fonts-xorg*` rpm -i --nodeps $s4 Reboot The corrupt screen at Control-Alt-F7 has gone and Control-Alt-F1-6 now work correctly !!!! The machine is superficially very usable but I assume I will have problems at some stage !!
(In reply to comment #26) > I just had to do it !!!! FC4T3-i386 Athlon64 > Remove all of xorg-x11-6.8.2-30 and fonts-xorg-6.8.2-1 > s1=`rpm -qa|grep -i xorg-x11` > rpm -e --nodeps $s1 > s2=`rpm -qa|grep -i fonts-xorg` > rpm -e --nodeps $s2 > > mount the FC3 DVD and change to correct dir > Install xorg-x11-6.8.1-12 and fonts-xorg-6.8.1-1 > s3=`ls xorg-x11*` > rpm -i --nodeps $s3 > s4=`ls fonts-xorg*` > rpm -i --nodeps $s4 > Reboot > The corrupt screen at Control-Alt-F7 has gone and > Control-Alt-F1-6 now work correctly !!!! > The machine is superficially very usable but I assume > I will have problems at some stage !! While this is useful information to a point, unfortunately, it isn't scientific method as you've changed multiple things - the xorg you're using, and also the compiler and toolchain it was built with, among other things. fonts-xorg is irrelevant, and I strongly recommend using the FC4 fonts-xorg. They're *just* fonts, no code. The only differences between the two, are some fonts that were previously missing due to an Xorg font installation bug, are now restored (lucida), and speedo fonts are now removed as they're not supported anymore by the X server. Additionally the FC4 fonts-xorg fixes some rpm font installation/upgrade script problems. Summary: fonts-xorg is 100% unrelated to the problem described here, and you're best off using the latest fonts-xorg packages. Back to the real problem now... Let me help a bit by recommending some further tests: Can you take the xorg-x11 src.rpm from FC4test3, install it on a *FC3* system, edit the spec file, and append ".fc3test.0" to the "Release" field, but do NOT change anything else in the spec file at all. Then do: rpmbuild -ba xorg-x11.spec After it all rebuilds, which can take anywhere from 15 minutes to several hours depending on the speed of your computer, test the resulting build on the FC3 computer and indicate wether the problem is reproduceable on FC3 with the rebuilt FC4 src.rpm on FC3. If FC4 xorg rebuilt unmodified (at source level) on FC3 works ok on FC3, then it could be a variety of things causing the FC4 problem, some of which might be: 1) FC4 compiler/toolchain bug 2) bug in FC4 kernel 3) change in FC4 kernel which isn't a bug, but causes X to behave differently for some reason, which might require X to be modified to handle the new kernel. Of the 3, #2 would be my primary suspect, then #1. We can explore these and other options once we have the info. To help determine which of these might be the case, try installing the FC4 kernel, and any direct dependancies it has into FC3 without changing xorg-x11 now. Reboot into FC4 kernel on FC3 system and try the FC3 rebuilt version of FC4 X out again under this new kernel. If the problems come back now, I think we can conclude this is actually a kernel bug or at least some new X<-> kernel interaction issue due to an FC4 kernel change. Another possibility is an FC4 SElinux bug or SElinux policy bug. You might want to try disabling SElinux also to see if that changes anything. That concludes FC3 rebuild testing. Now copy the FC3 built FC4 xorg rpms to the FC4 computer, and upgrade it's xorg to them. Make sure it upgraded properly. Now test X out. If the problem disappears, I think it's safe to conclude it is NOT an FC4 kernel bug, and seems to instead be related to the compiler or toolchain. If the FC3 built FC4 xorg fails on FC4 however, but works ok on FC3, I would lean towards it being a kernel bug or SElinux related issue. Anyone who experiences the problem described in this bug report who could perform these (likely somewhat time consuming) tests, would help a lot to narrow down the possibilities of where the problem might lay. Thanks in advance.
Oh, one more thing... If it turns out that the compiler or other parts of the toolchain do become the factor that causes the changes in behaviour, then we need to investigate wether the problems are due to compiler/toolchain bugs, or due to bad/broken assumptions in the X code which compile differently under different compilers. Either is equally possible, and also either scenario will be equally fun to diagnose. So I really hope this turns out to be a kernel bug. ;o)
I have had a go at stage one of the suggested investigations Installed clean FC3-i386 on Athlon64/G550. No yum updates. No Screen corruption, Control-Alt-Fx OK Down loaded xorg-x11-6.8.2-30.src.rpm and installed edited spec file as suggested rpmbuild -ba xorg-x11.spec init 3 rpm -e --nodeps `rpm -qa|grep -i xorg-x11` cd .... rpm -i --nodeps *.rpm init 5 The screen corruption is now there at Control-Alt-F7 !!!!! Control-Alt-F1-6 terminals do not have a green border and are visable but the characters are corrupt/incorrect/unreadable !!!! Does this really indicate that the problem is with xorg-x11-6.8.2-30.src.rpm rather than anything else ??
> Control-Alt-F1-6 terminals do not have a green border and are visable I think you are mixing multiple bugs, multiple problems. This ticket is about virtual consoles being lost completely as soon as X server starts up.
The original bug, reported by myself, includes both the virtual terminal problem, the corrupt screen Control-Alt-F7 and the FC4T2 install problem. My history of the problem is as follows: 1. FC4T1 only gave (me) the green border problem. From memory I also did a yum update of xorg-x11 on FC4T1 to see if the green border had been fixed and found the corrupt screen problem had been introduced. I thought I had done something wrong and reverted to the "standard" FC4T1 xorg-x11. FC4T2 was due out very soon after this time and so I waited. 2. FC4T2 additional gave (me) the corrupt screen during install and at Control-Alt-F7 3. FC4T3 is still as per FCT2 Please see original bug report, Additional Comment #10 and attachment, Additional Comments #16 and #23 There does seem to be confusion! I hope that all the problems have been recognised !!!! Please let me know if any additional information is required
So, somebody who prefers to stay anonymous mailed me privately with suggestions for a work-around. I did not recompile anything without -O2, but I tried the following: Take /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvgahw.a from an up-to-date Fedora Core 3 (xorg-x11-6.8.2-something) and overwrite the file on Fedora Core 4 Test 3. With that, the virtual consoles problem does not occur anymore (Matrox MGA G400). No green border or green screen anywhere either. Is this helpful?
Regarding comment 10 and comment 23 - the problem you describe seems to be on an MGA 64 bit system. In comment 10 the problem seems similar to the screenshot that you have regarding the intel 865G video card. I assume that these are different machines and that the computer in comment 10 is a 32 bit box w/ the Intel 865G video card. If you are using two different boxes w/ different video cards and seeing the same type of problem, are they both 64 bit installations or as I gathered in assumption from the other comments? My main concern is with the Intel 865G video, because I have an FC3 installation that would be problematic if this bug is still present when FC4 is released.
Regarding comment #32, I can confirm replacing /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvgahw.a with a copy from the latest xorg 6.8.2 from FC3 corrected the problem for me. My video card is a S3/Savage. No more corrupted video upon altf1 through f6.
(In reply to comment #32) > So, somebody who prefers to stay anonymous mailed me privately with suggestions > for a work-around. I did not recompile anything without -O2, but I tried the > following: > > Take /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvgahw.a from an up-to-date Fedora Core 3 > (xorg-x11-6.8.2-something) and overwrite the file on Fedora Core 4 Test 3. With > that, the virtual consoles problem does not occur anymore (Matrox MGA G400). No > green border or green screen anywhere either. > > Is this helpful? Definitely a solid datapoint that's likely to be useful in finding a solution. Perhaps vgahw miscompiles with gcc4 or something. Thanks for the useful info Michael.
Tried 6.8.2-1.FC3.34 on FC4T3-i386 mg550 Athlon64 Corrupt at F7, kdm/kde Corrupt at F1-6 but no green border Reverted to 6.8.2-1.FC3.13.i368 to be able to use the machine
The bug is present in FC4 official release loaded on vanilla hardware with a Matrox G200 video card. Switching to virtual terminals 1-6 shows blank screen with green border. One can login blindly, so it's not related to vt functionality...
Same problem here (no green borders, just plain black). Intel 865GBF Motherboard. (In reply to comment #37) > The bug is present in FC4 official release loaded on vanilla hardware with a > Matrox G200 video card. Switching to virtual terminals 1-6 shows blank screen > with green border. One can login blindly, so it's not related to vt functionality...
Sorry for the previous incomplete message. As I was saying... Same problem here (no green borders, just plain black, VT's respond to commands). Intel 865GBF Motherboard. I also have an Intel 865PERL that works ok. But this information can be useful: in the first, buggy machine, doing logout takes around 5/10 seconds (it remains the console), while in the good machine the logout is almost instantaneous. And this is for Alan: your new i810_drv.o driver (http://www.fairlite.demon.co.uk/i810_drv.o) gives me a black X too!
Created attachment 2909 [details] [review] xorg-server-hw-xfree86-common-includes.patch The computer has FC3 installed (where file came from), FC4 and a development installation. The replaced file cured the messed up VTs on both the Dev and FC4 installation. The FC3 worked without noticable errors.
Say What! The previous attached file is /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvgahw.a from FC3. Tagged on the end of the filename is .fromfc3. The file should be owned by root:root and not have the libvgahw.a name and replace the original file from FC4 or development. In order to get your terminals back or get rid of the borders or scrambled test, a fresh boot might be needed to reset the video card to a sane condition. The file is included only to simplify the task of extracting it from the rpm. Doing a cmp either direction gives the same output. Checking same file against itself shows no difference. cmp libvgahw.a libvgahw.a.fromfc3 libvgahw.a libvgahw.a.fromfc3 differ: byte 28, line 2 cmp libvgahw.a.fromfc3 libvgahw.a libvgahw.a.fromfc3 libvgahw.a differ: byte 28, line 2 xorg-mess]$ cmp libvgahw.a.fromfc3 libvgahw.a.fromfc3 xorg-mess]$ cmp libvgahw.a libvgahw.a xorg-mess]$
I still believe this ticket is specific to Matrox MGA chipsets, hence "Driver/mga" was chosen at the top. Reports or details about other chipsets ought to go somewhere else.
The driver for mga most likely has problems unique to its extreme reaction to newer FC4 (and FC4Tx) versions. libvgahw.a is also a factor to consider, since many different video drivers are broken, but made better when installing an older version of libvgahw.a on the system. Bug 3557 linking the library as an influencing factor is sufficient for me. Though, extracting ideas from this bug repaired the damage caused by later versions of X. Thanks for the extaction regarding libvgahw.a. I have no MGA video card, dropping myself from CC (running linux yet)
Created attachment 2926 [details] [review] change cairo_rectangle to use cairo_line_to instead of cairo_rel_line_to I have Matrox G200 on VIA C3, and I am experiencing same problems with FC4 xorg 6.8.2. Using mga video driver in Xorg yealds fine working X window system, however the console has green border and I see nothing else there. No other possibility to fix it than to reboot. I tested with vesa driver. This has even worse behaviour. I have black console, and X window does not start at all. Screen is black all the time. Computer probably stops responding completely. Vga driver is working, but is useless.
Some more datapoints: Three boxes with problems: 1) mga g400 on FC4. 2) Intel 2845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE using i180 driver + i915 kernel driver from FC4. 3) Intel 915GM on Dell Latitude X1 laptop using i810 + i915 from snapshots dated 20. june 2005 from http://dri.freedesktop.org/snapshots/ (the OS is FC4). The mga host was blank with green lines on vt, while the intel chipset hosts were completely blank on vt. All hosts were fixed by replacing libvgahw.a from xorg-x11-6.8.2-1.FC3.13, the bizarre trick from comment #32.
With Fedora Core 4 and a S3 Savege/IX-MV (ThinkPad T21), I'm getting not only the display register corruptions, but also occasional crashes upon switching to textmode. These are full systems hangs (not just X), and occur about once in a dozen switches but with no obvious pattern. Because the display and kernel are both dead, I can't see the relevant kernel messages (if any). This means the machine cannot be safely shut down when using the savage driver (poweroff eventually switches to text mode and thus ocasionally crashes). Maybe this affects the priority and/or severity of this bug. Copying libvgahw.a from xorg-x11-6.8.2-1.FC3.13 solves all issues.
The libvgahw.a issue is covered, but not yet resolved, in RedHat bug 161242 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=161242) and its many duplicates.
I had this problem (Green border around Blank VTs) with a G450 under FC4t3 and then under FC4 release version. Replacing the libvgahw.a fixed the problem for me too. Sounds like Mike is off the hook (unless he is responsible for libvgahw.a too...) Thank you for your help Mike.
The root cause of this issue, is tracked in gcc bugzilla at: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=22278 Compiler developers are still debating wether or not this is a legitimate gcc bug, or an X bug relying on behaviour some people consider invalid by ISO C standard. Until the debate is resolved, it might be a good idea to work around the issue in the X code anyway.
I have discovered that running the command "modprobe i2c_matroxfb" (I'm using FC4 and a Matrox G400) seems to fix the problem. Either loading the module manually or in /etc/rc.d/rc.local allows me to be able to see the text in the virtual terminals 1--6 and X-Windows on terminal 7. The only thing still missing is when I shut down the computer there are no messages indicating processeses being shut down, etc. BTW my kernel is 2.6.11-1.1369_FC4smp; don't know if the smp makes a difference or not. I'm happy to provide more information if necessary.
I could verify on a G400 board that the root cause is PR 22278 in gcc. Now gcc cvs has been fixed and for fedora users gcc-4.0.1-4 is available. Hopefully a recompilation will fix most of the problems with other hardware as well.
NOTOURBUG ? this has been sitting in my "unresolved issues" bin for too long
(In reply to comment #48) > NOTOURBUG ? > this has been sitting in my "unresolved issues" bin for too long The gcc issue refered to above is indeed "not X.Org Foundation's bug", which is I believe why this was closed as NOTOURBUG. The problem with this bug report is that 200 people have added "me too" to it, with their own information, even though everyone is definitely _not_ experiencing the _same_ bug/problem. This is why there should be one single bug - per bug report, and one single person on each bug report, unless it can be 300% concluded that multiple people are experiencing the 100% _exact_ same bug. Otherwise, a single bug report has 30-50 vague bugs in it from as many people, all fairly vague, and the one bug report no longer takes on any particular meaning. Also, when 300 people all pile into one bug report with "me too" and are not having the _exact_ same bug, the bug grows lengthy and contains tonnes of confusing information. It becomes next to impossible to diagnose the issue that the bug was originally filed about, due to the amount of unrelated information added to the report by 30 other people, many of whom are not actually having the same problem. The other problem, is that if someone does actually manage to figure out the problem that the original report was all about, and fix it, and then close the bug as FIXED, the 300 other people who added "me too" to the report who were NOT having the SAME bug, get pissed off and reopen the report to say "NO THIS IS NOT FIXED YET!". While _their_ problem might not be fixed, if it is determined the one single issue that was _originally_ reported was fixed, then the bug will be closed as such. Recommendation: When filing bug reports about X server or video driver problems, problems VT switching, if you find a bug report that is similar to what you are seeing, but not 10000% exact, then file a _new_ bug report and your individual issue will be tracked _separately_. Later, if developers determine they are the same issue, a developer can close them as duplicates. It is easier to track individual people's issues in individual separate bug reports and close them as duplicates, or cross reference them with URLs in comments, than it is to take one massive bug report with comments from 30 people, all experiencing similar but not 100% identical issues, or even totally unrelated issues. After re-reading this whole report, the original issue that was reported here, as far as I am concerned, was the problem which occured last year due to a bug in gcc, which caused libvgahw.a to be miscompiled. That definitely was a bug in gcc, and not in X.Org, so the NOTOURBUG resolution is very accurate. Having said that, that gcc bug was fixed eons ago, and updates released for the distributions that were affected. If anyone CC'd on this bug, or whom has added comments to this bug thinking they were experiencing the same issue reported by Dr. John Austin, is currently still experiencing the same problem they had when they added a comment or added themselves to CC, pay close attention to this next statement very carefully: YOU ARE NOT EXPERIENCING THIS BUG. YOU ARE HAVING A COMPLETELY UNRELATED PROBLEM. FILE YOUR OWN BUG REPORT INSTEAD OF PILING AN UNRELATED ISSUE ONTO AN ALREADY RESOLVED ISSUE. If I sound a bit short tempered, it is because it is frustrating as a developer when people all tag onto one bug report when they're actually not having the same problem - and then bitch and complain once the bug they were not actually having gets closed. Summary: File your own bug report always, and include as much detail as possible always. Refer to other similar bugs with URLs in your report if you think you are having the same or similar issue to someone else but are not 100% sure. A good way of determining wether or not you are 100% sure, is to say out loud: "If they had a gun to my (wife/girlfriend/child/ someone important)'s head and the trigger was going to be pulled 10 times if my bug is not actually a duplicate, then I better file a separate report." That makes everyone happy in the end. other's head, and were going to pull the trigger if
Just to make things clear. I acidentaly resolved this bug as NOTOURBUG. I think this is the right resolution but I certaimly didn't expect to have the permission to do so when adding my previous comment. For some unknown to me reason I appear to have permissions to edit all aspects of any bug. My previous comment was meant as in inquiry to whether its not already time to resolve this bug as NOTOURBUG, not as a questioning of the resolution.
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